very much good evening ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Granada Forum on November 11 2010. tonight we have an incredible guest Ted Gunderson a former bureau chief for the FBI in the early 80s so without any further Ado let's give this gentleman a warm route of applause [Music] [Applause] [Music] thanks a lot I feel like old home week I've been here so many times I didn't just have my 82nd birthday uh two days ago all right let me let me raise this up a little bit here it never was mechanically implies you got it yeah let me let me get it up that's good right there that's good right there hopefully it'll stay a party do you have a choir later I I couldn't understand what he said what'd you say sir oh Choir Oh well they're they're coming later yeah anyway thanks for uh the invitation Wendy you're a special lady she deserves a round of appla applause for what she's done [Music] thank you well you know I heard a very inspiring speech at Chuck's 911 truth conference here and I said I've got to go see Wendy and get some information that I've developed that I've never presented before and get it out to the public and that was a great conference Chuck thank you yeah it was fantastic um before I begin let me just mention that I'm going to do a series of four or five lectures if I can't do it here I'll do it with uh Dennis in the back room of his uh Camp I call it Iron City he's got a bunch of old cars out there and uh so but this is the first and the reason I'm still inspired by your speakers that you had there Chuck is uh because there's a lot of information that needs to be given to the public and I'm going to do the best I can now there is uh there's those people who play who think there is no conspiracy so there is a conspiracy and my lectures are going to be entitled uh conspiracy reality okay and I'm going to prove to you tonight that there is a conspiracy and hope you will pick this DVD up and pass it out to your friends they had a young college fella here from up north where are you it was it Jason was that your name yeah Josh yeah and he said he's having trouble convincing his fellow students about what's going on so when this is all over you be sure to get a copy of this and make copies and pass that out on campus okay uh I have to go back to 1951. I graduated in the University of Nebraska in 1950. by the way I have one of the my colleagues there was Johnny Carson I'm a new Johnny Carson yeah and it was right after World War II my brother had entered the Air Force and he uh over Germany his bomber went down he was killed and he graduated from the University of Iowa by the way some Midwest born and bred basically but when I first got out of college I didn't know exactly what I wanted to do which I think has happened very regularly so I took a job with Hormel Meat Packing Company at selling hams and my kids have always accused me of being a ham all along so it worked out real well they called me used to call me the FBI ham and I'm driving down Grand River in Detroit Michigan and I heard about a friend of mine dick Kinsey who had applied for the FBI and was accepted and he was my college friend the university and I said if Kenzie can make it I can make it and I just kept on driving downtown and applied for the job with the FBI the only trouble was you had to be 25. and I was 22. so the fellow interviewed me I'll never forget his name is Zimmerman he said although you're only 22. why don't you write a letter to Jay Edgar Hoover and tell him you look older so I wrote a letter to Jay Edgar Hoover personal letter I said Dear Mr Hoover although I'm only 22 I look like I'm 28. actually I look like I was 19. okay as you can tell me I am young looking for my age I always have been but you know what six weeks later I was in Quantico Virginia shooting gun going to class learning about collection preservation of evidence Federal rules of procedure etc etc et cetera I'd take a test first pass I've had to pass a physical and that was the beginning of an absolutely absolutely fabulous career the FBI in my day back in the 50s 60s 70s and 80s up to about 1980. was a great organization I'm sorry to say that they have deteriorated considerably and I'll go into that with details in a few minutes but in my career after I left training school I went to Mobile Alabama and I'd never been south of Mason-Dixon line and I'm thinking I'm going to the end of the world but it was a great experience and then from Mobile Alabama I was transferred to a small town Union Springs Alabama 22 500 just 50 miles west of Phoenix City if you know anything about Phoenix state Alabama it was corrupted prostitutes in and out stolen cars it was right next to Fort Benning being in Columbus Ohio or Columbus Georgia and so it was a real experience breaking in there there were General criminal the interstate fifth Interstate shipment Interstate Transportation Zone motor vehicle we had an extortion case and so on and so forth and from Union Springs I went up to Knoxville Tennessee worked atomic energy cases from Knoxville it went up to New York City and worked counter espionage we were very active exposing and identifying uh Espionage agents for the Soviet block countries the Russians and the Chinese of course and from there I went to Albuquerque New Mexico I was there for about five years and William C Sullivan who was number two man in the FBI actually who there was Hoover and his associate and then bill was next third third person came out to Los Alamos New Mexico for a lecture and I drove him up to Los Alamos and he took a shine to me and said Ted you need to come back to headquarters I went back to headquarters worked organized crime and racketeering for two and a half years when Bobby Kennedy and Jack Kennedy were in office I talked a had occasion to meet with Bobby Kennedy and then when Jack was murdered by the newer Lord of boys I was taken over to a White House special inquiry and I worked White House matters when Johnson was there and on one occasion later on when I was inspector I'd come back to the White House and tell you what happened there's kind of interesting and from there I went up to New Haven Connecticut and I'd never been east of the Mississippi so other than Alabama and Tennessee and Tennessee and so forth and in New York and Washington DC but I really in the New England area it's a very beautiful state very nice area a great assignment and while I was there the Black Panthers were extremely active they were taking over College administration buildings they were running around the country with gun belts on and weapons and so on so forth really a really true revolutionary group and I was in charge of anti-terrorism and we did a job on the Black Panthers and after the Panthers were down out and no longer active I had a call from William C Sullivan and Bill told me I'd attribute the downfall of the Black Panther Party directly to you your squad and the New Haven Police Department and from New Haven I went on down to Philadelphia I was number two man in Philadelphia and in Philadelphia I was assistant special agent in charge and probably the most exciting case I'd ever worked in the FBI occurred uh July 12 1972 Philadelphia International Airport two terrorists had taken over an airplane a National Airlines flight 496. and I negotiated with them for two and a half hours under another airplane with the three Jets engines running and successfully for the release of 119 passengers and I'm in the process now I ran across the my transcript of my negotiation with the terrorists by the way uh after we uh successfully uh rescued 119 passengers uh the plane let them take off in another plane the original plane and I had the second plane uh the first one plane had run out of fuel and so on so forth so we let him go on and they ran out of gas over Texas and we negotiated down there for some nine hours they finally gave up one was sentenced to six UH 60 years the other one sentenced to 40 years but my transcript I just ran across it recently my negotiation that's going to be on my website very soon I think maybe within a month or so but from uh Philadelphia I went into FBI headquarters as a inspector and then out later down to Memphis as a chart the FBI Memphis division then in charge of the FBI Dallas Division and then the best assignment in the FBI very frankly I was in charge of the FBI Los Angeles division nah I had over 700 Personnel on my command a budget of 22.5 million dollars and we covered most of southern California 16 offices and it was a great pleasure to be here I did mostly public relations work I had a staff of 24 supervisors three other special agents in charge I was a senior special agent in church and then on March the 30th of 1979. I retired I had Pat Brown their former Governor Jerry Brown there I had red buttons and I had the chief of police at chief of the sheriff I had head of the highway patrol it was who's who in the Los Angeles area now I mentioned that because if you go on the internet you're going to see derogatory information about how I was kicked out of the FBI for practicing satanic ceremonies in the Federal Building okay and and uh that's that's just this that's just plain disinformation by government operatives so in my first case when I after I retired as a private investigator it was a doctor Jeff Fiona McDonald case and those of you have heard me before I always start out my lectures with this case I'm not going to go into detail because later on in one of my lectures I'm going to go into detail but he was tried and convicted of murdering his wife and two children February 17 1974 Brighton North Carolina and uh since the three consecutive life sentences uh I was contacted by some of his doctor friends and they asked if I would investigate it I said yeah I'll investigated if he did not commit the crime if he committed the crime I don't want him to do with it I talked to Dr McDonald and I was convinced that he was innocent within 10 months I obtained a signed confession from a girl named Helena Stokely and she said that he did not commit the murders they were committed by her satanic cult group and I appeared on a number of national TV shows in this regard and we went public with the information and my life's never been the same since people came from all walks of life from all parts of the country and told me about the satanical movement in this country it is big it is huge it is dangerous very dangerous they kill between they sacrifice between fifty and sixty thousand people every year they're involved in kidnapping children and so forth then it goes on and on and on but that case is what really woke me up as to what was going on I've always been a red white blue guy a mother apple pie Chevrolet and that sort of thing and a big important Dennis did you say something oh okay and uh in this case that in this instance Dr McDonald was framed and the reason he was framed is because the government mainly the military were flying drugs in plastic bag in the body cavities the dead G eyes out of Southeast Asia into the military bases here in the United States and Lena told me that her satanic cult group distributed the drugs up and down the east coast and the higher-ups in the drug operation did not want this to be known of course that they were involved in the murder and so they basically framed Dr McDonald I'm telling you right now the man is absolutely innocent he's been in jail for like 30 years and we have a appeal before the fourth circuit at this time I'm going to go into one of my lectures I'm going to go into great detail about this case it's I can probably talk about it for about two or probably an hour and a half to two hours but very briefly what we have in the appeal before the fourth circuit is my confessions that I took from Alina silky by the way she was murdered in January 1983. and also under one of the fingernail of one of the young ladies the little girl one of the little girls two and a half and five and a half skin Excuse Me Not skin but a hair with the root was recovered and it did not belong to anybody in the McDonald family also Colette the wife she had skin under her fingernail and that skin was scraped from under the fingernails and given to William Ivory the CID Army investigator and it disappeared so there's been a whole series of cover-ups on it in case it's a fascinating case I really really hope that we can get him out this time but anyway that's basically uh what happened that gets me off the ground so to speak as to what really was going on now I'm sure all of you are aware of the Illuminati I'm probably preaching to the choir on this and I'm sure you're aware that on May the 1st 1776 and in vysoft a defrocked priest announced the 25 goals in the Illuminati and I'm just going to say it very briefly about this about about the Illuminati because there will be some people who will watch this lecture on DVD and will not know about it but at that time of the 25 goals corrupt the youth through sex and drugs right look at what's happening to our society today control the Press the mainstream media elect your own people to office if you can't elect your own people to office put your agent tours or advisors in Illuminati advisors so you can control to a degree the person who represents the people or whatever the situation might be but I have this by the way this is documented in a book called Pawns in the game by William Guy Carr he was a lieutenant a commander excuse no Lieutenant but a commander in the Navy retired the Canadian Navy who wrote This Book you couldn't understand why we had to have so many wars and so many problems and so he did his research and wrote This Book now you're in the right after uh Oklahoma City bombing by the way one of my lectures down the road will be will tell you all about the terrorist movement in this country because it's all the whole thing is planned it's an inside job is planned to pass the Patriot Act set up Homeland Security and so on and so forth but that'll be separate but Brian Gumbel the famous well-known morning talk show host and right after Oklahoma City I was interviewing Jim Nichols Terry Nichols brother Terry Nichols co-defendant of Oklahoma City with McVeigh and I had given uh Jim and his family my report had I have a 222 page report and I gave it to them to him and in the interview with Brian Gumbel he says on National Television have you read Ted gunderson's report and Brian Gomez says oh he's just a conspiracy theorist right well that's not right I'm a conspiracy realist there is a conspiracy this this lecture is dedicated to all the corrupt politicians the it the judges that allow any guilty people to go to jail deliberately and I my number two with my second webmaster is a victim of this uh the uh the not only the politicians there but then the judges but the bureaucrats to investigate these matters CIA FBI Military Intelligence the real most serious culprits of all are the military intelligence NSA they're keeping track of all of our phone calls of where we are every minute of the day but when our forefathers when our forefathers established the three branches of the government executive legislative and judicial branch they had no idea that down the road years later there would be a fourth branch and I call the fourth Branch the covert Rogue government criminal Enterprise these people this element of our society is involved in the drugs the illegal drugs kidnapping children and so on so forth and I since I got out of the bureau I have done everything I can to expose it I'm exposing it today now one of the programs by the government and I'm going to go into detail as to how the government operates how this Rogue element operates in the country I'm sorry excuse me and one of the uh one of the tech oh thank you one of the techniques that's used is kind of called cointelpro cointel Pro is short for counterintelligence program I know all about cointelpro I was one of the individuals in the FBI who actively administered it against the Black Panthers It's very effective But Here recently the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote me a letter after I had had cancer by the way last I was discovered last October 28th about a year ago and that had an operation April the 6th I'm glad to report right now I think I'm ribbed of the cancer I don't have it anymore but uh I had a letter from one of the intelligence officers at Southern Poverty Law Center is there anybody that does not know about the Southern Poverty Law Center with Southern private Law Center as far as I'm concerned is a second person individual organization that's involved in with this covert government criminal Enterprise absolutely no question about it um they listed and this this is I'm trying to explain to the cointelpro program uh it works against how they worked it against me they listed the 40 false Patriot anti-government leaders and they also listed the most dangerous Patriots in America recently I'm proud to announce that I made both less [Applause] [Music] they also described me as a leading conspiracy monger what's anybody know what a monger looks like you're looking at him I guess okay the Anti-Defamation League another organization as far as I'm concerned this spokesperson for this Rogue covert government criminal Enterprise they describe me as an extreme extremist speaker and they say that I pose as a threat to the country do I look like I'm a threat to anybody no of course not beg your pardon okay uh they claim I will likely become a target of U.S Attorney General Eric Holder I don't know what that means but if I'm going to be on a list or a target of the Department of Justice so be it so I will still continue to do what I'm doing I'd like to emphasize that I'm not an anti-government Monger conspiracy theorists I pulled the uh details out of this I don't want to go into all that detail it's too much um I'm not an anti-government person I'm an anti-corruptionist I I love my country and I will continue as long as I'm alive to continue to expose this evil element that's permeated throughout our society I like football baseball I like to have a beer once in a while I'm as normal as any of the rest of you out here okay and I'm not anti-government again I'm anti-corruptionist that's the uh the sudden property Law Center in the uh and the Anti-Defamation League as I said are fronts for the New World Order and I remember after Oklahoma City everyone was clamoring to find out what happened what happened by the way I have proved without any doubt that the government was involved in Oklahoma City no question about it absolutely [Music] I'm going to have a whole lecture just on on the terrorist movement of these four lectures but I tell you right now the car bomb the truck bomb was not a fertilizer bomb okay they use fertilizer bombs to blow up tree stumps in the backyard of the farmers near the barn right they don't blow half a building away now I found out through a scientific magazine and through one of my sources that the bomb was what we call an electoral hydrodynamic gaseous fuel device for sure I'll call it a barometric bomb this particular bomb was developed by Hercules manufacturing Silicon Valley California it was tested in 1982 and I was with a group of individuals in Palm Springs swoop type individuals good spoon type not bad spook type okay uh when it was tested we sat in the hotel and waited for the results it was so powerful that one of the technicians was killed and others are injured President Reagan I think I think he was president at that time put a classification on it and put it on the shelf and said you know don't speak about this anymore that's it it was highly classified but the person one other person said in the hotel in the hotel room was one of the developers of that bomb he was a CIA scientist for some 20 years that's why I knew about it I obtained the doc the the uh the number the number for this bomb and the contract number for this bomb and I sent it to Picatinny arson I'll wrote a letter to him and I said send me a copy of the contract this is all public information by the way and they wrote back and they said there's no such contract no such contract I talked to an inside investigator who represented the McVeigh team he told me there were at least 11 other people involved if you I have copies of the TV shows that afternoon of the Oklahoma City bombing and every TV station in Oklahoma City announced that they were bringing unexploded bombs out of the building and one of them made the statement now we're going to know where these bombs came from one of them has U.S army stencil on the side of it that was on the air I have copies of that wow is right and there's a lot more to the story than that but anyway my report 220 some pages is on this CD last time I was here I passed out a CD to everybody that wanted one and um that's I've got 6500 pages on that CD I got 52 reports Oklahoma City 9-1-1 Oklahoma the car bombing of 93 and so on and so forth the kidnapping by the finders the CIA child kidnapping organization and it goes on and on and on I'm making this available I make this available to the public and I did last time I was here I passed out 25 or 30 of them in fact Dennis makes copies for me because I want people to take my work and get it out and educate educate educate so one of the programs that the Rogue government uses in addition to organizations like Southern Poverty Law and a defamation League to their advantage to try to discredit and destroy those of us who are trying to protect and save our country it's called a disinformation program and if you will look on the internet you will see where I am one of the heroes of the bad guys in that I have been accused of as I said earlier practicing satanic ceremonies in the federal building that's why I was kicked out of the FBI another topic that's uh that's on the Internet is that I married Anton laveis a widow Antonio vay was one of the heads of the Church of Satan and I did know Anton her his hurt I know I didn't know Diana slightly as they think is her name I didn't know and I was in in Dallas for a period uh about 10 years ago and people call me and write to me from all walks of life help me help me help me I help as many as I can and I had a call from this lady and she had been up into Idaho to be deprogrammed because she knew that she was a victim of mind control program called MK Ultra that's another story and she said I'm driving home and I'm in Winnemucca Nevada and I have my daughter and I keep wanting to take my hands off the wheel while I'm driving 75 miles an hour well instead of being deprogrammed I think she was reprogrammed she was up in Idaho visiting a therapist so I told her I said Diane again I've never met her just talked to her on the phone check into Hotel I'll get help to you right away and I call it an ex-c cop friend of mine in Reno and I told Don I said Don get over to Winnemucca and rescue this woman and so he went to Winnemucca and got Diana out and drove it to Reno and then she took a plane from Reno back home with her daughter the trouble is now she had her car in a parking lot in Winnemucca so don called what do I do I said well go get it for her so don got on a bus and he took the bus to winnemaca got off the bus he's walking down the street it's it's dark three fellas right behind him he walks fast they walk fast he walks he does me more than walk fast he starts jogging they jog he runs they're running right behind him he ducks in an alley one of them came in the alley behind him the other two went running up the other end of the other kid and coming back and as Don told me he saw two by four there and then in the dark and when the guy came around the corner he made a Christian out of him he had a weapon with no serial numbers on it Don grabbed the weapon went back to uh to uh Reno and then he uh was driving her car of course then he had to deliver the car to her in Santa Maria to Diana lightwing so he starts driving to Santa Maria he notices an oversized van following him about a quarter of a mile mile after mile after mile after mile he's into California by now and at a certain location this car he's driving 75 80. this van comes up real fast comes up behind him he's next to him and he flips his mirror and a shotgun comes out the back window of the van he realizes that they're going to blow the tire out and spin the car and he's probably going to die or something's going to have a serious injury so he Slams on his brakes and the van went on and came over into his Lane but he wasn't there so the Vans flipped and he is in the look in the dust in his rear view mirror at the same time that a highway patrolman is coming from the other direction 900 miles an hour it was all planned to take place with that precise location right and Don goes on delivers the car and so on so forth he later he was a ex-cop from California so he checked his contacts and he found out that there was an accident there and there was a fatality he checked his contacts six months later there was no record of the accident and no record of a fatality this is the way they operate this is what happened Diana called me and thanked me for probably saving her life I'm telling you the story because this information about me marrying her is on the internet and I challenge anybody to find the marriage license that I'll turn over my monthly retirement check or not all of it just some of it okay so uh Diana called me she says Ted I'm I'm moving from Santa Maria to Hemet and I would appreciate if you'd escort me down and come help me move so I got a friend of mine from Dallas who was in town here and I went up and helped her move went down to Hemet spent some a little bit of time in Hemet and then I went on home Diana told me some things that are really very scary and very shocking about her life as the wife of Anton LaVey one of the things that really was shocking is they had a lion that was running walking free around the house and when they had a victim they wanted to get rid of the evidence they just threw the the person to the line he'd eat it um anyway that's just one of the things just on the internet I mentioned some other things but I've had so many people planted on me government operatives I feel like I'm the Garden of Eden to be honest with you uh that's right for example a fellow named Stu Webb this is all this all part of their master plan to discredit me so people like you won't listen to me so fellow named Stu Webb came to me I ran for political office back in the 90s and I lived in Las Vegas at that time I need a place to stay for four days well I take Patriots in all the time so come on over and stay in my place he stayed for seven months uh I gave him an ethereum I've even bought him a suit I said I'm using my car gasoline the whole thing I I got to quit doing that folks because it gets me in trouble every time but anyway I finally told Stu I said I got my granddaughter coming to stay with me you're gonna have to get out of that third bedroom I had an elderly lady living in the second bedroom who was uh from Ireland and a and I'd run into her in my travels and I took her into and she ended up being an emblem but anyway Stu Webb left when I was out of town stole 35 copies of Thanks for the Memories which was Bryce Taylor's book you remember that book Bryce potato was a presidential model and last time I checked the Internet thanks for the memory was selling on the internet for like a hundred and ten dollars he stole 35 copies that I had he stole my research eight or ten boxes of my research and uh it goes on and on and on but Stu Webb is when he walked out the door when the next time I saw him he said I'm going to destroy you in The Patriot community and this is him from he's the one that says I was kicked out of the FBI for practicing satanic ceremony in the Federal Building so much for Stu Webb he's been discredited so forget about him Jim cloberg another person who was planning on me I run for a political office in Las Vegas in 96. and cloberg was my campaign manager and when the campaign was over we were established selling my DVDs and books and everything else to try to finance the campaign very expensive by the way and those of you who think it's easy to run for politics it's not it's just to register in the primary across the country if you run for president costs you more than a hundred thousand dollars okay but uh anyway after the campaign was over I receive a letter I lost I was I ran in the uh I re-registered from Republican to Democrats so I could go to these conferences and uh and take take on Bill Clinton okay he was president at that time and rerunning and uh anyway uh this lady wrote me a letter and she said I never received my DVD where is it and I said well send me a copy of your check and send me the flyer and I found out that cloberg made up his own flyer with another name Gunderson for president or some name like that had his own bank account and the money was coming in to his own post office box okay and he was putting the money in his pocket uh clear-cut election violation violation of federal laws and I immediately reported it to the U.S attorney and the FBI in Las Vegas nothing ever happened I found out later that cloberg was an FBI informant had been planning on me now the latest again now we're talking about disinformation specialists the latest incident was really costly a woman named Virginia McCullough and she says from up here in Northern California and she's been bashing me for years and she finally made a big mistake in 2005 I had to leave Las Vegas and go to Nebraska because I was being poisoned um I was sitting in my office actually I had an office in my home at condo and I realized I wasn't thinking straight and I was foggy and I couldn't remember some things I'm saying there's something wrong with me I went down took a test and I found out I had Arsenic and cyanide in me and as a result of that by the way I have high blood pressure and I'll be on high blood pressure medicine the rest of my life but I said to my associate Clarence Malcolm who's my webmaster now my first webmaster was murdered the second one was set up and framed on child molestation charges Chris Jones didn't do it so I said to Malcolm by the way is anybody want to volunteer May 4th webmaster here you go see me after that okay so I said to Mom Mom we got to get out of here So within two weeks I called John DeCamp I'm sure you folks know the name John DeCamp he's a great man Lincoln Nebraska Attorney and he and I worked on the Franklin cover-up case together I called John DeCamp and I said John I got a problem I got to get out of here he said well come on back to my home town claytonia Nebraska I guarantee there's not a person in this room that's ever heard of clintonia Nebraska it's 196 people it's about five blocks long and three blocks wide and a hundred as I say 196 people they have a post office a bar and a bank and that's it that's their business section so John said come on back uh I got a house on rent to you so Clarence and I and his uh his wife and it's a 10-8 year old daughter step daughter at that time moved from Las Vegas to claytonia Nebraska and John was quite surprised he said come on back and two weeks later I got a van in front of his house with Furniture I said where do I go John and he made fun of that because I he didn't know if I was going to come back or not but John read to me one of his houses now see I might tell you how much I rented it for four bedrooms two baths third of an acre land 550 a month doesn't sound like La does it no so anyway so there I am in claytonia Nebraska and giant Malcolm and I uh and his wife and Linda and the daughter step daughter our you know pumping out the DVDs Furnishing information when we can educating people we can and so forth all of a sudden knock knock open the door here's the police officer we have received information you are holding a child hostage here we want to see the child and I said and Malcolm said do you have documents court documents papers no out the door and it was a famous female police officer she slammed the door she was really upset about that because we challenged her so Malcolm says we got to get out of here so we moved 20 miles down the road overnight registered the house in Beatrice which is where we moved to and his wife's maiden name and about a week later knock knock and here is another police officer only at this time Beatrice police officer we have information that you are holding a child hostage here we want to see the child court documents no out the door okay so I immediately go down and talk to the district attorney Randy rittenour is his name and I say I'm telling Rand what's this all about he says well I'm receiving emails from some woman in California about this I said well how would she know what we have going here in claytonia Nebraska well we got to check it out we got it I said no I said the woman is Virginia McCullough isn't that right and he didn't say yes he didn't say no he just went like this and nodded his head up and down so as a result of that Malcolm left Beatrice overnight and goes to Texas and then from Texas he ended up having a surveillance designing like we've all had those of us in the the Limelight so to speak and I sent him and the daughter and his wife to Panama to get him out of Harm's Way and he'd been down there now what that did to me what that did to me financially is mind-boggling I have not been able to get my DVDs out for almost a year because this happened a year ago a year ago now actually and so I've got a bunch of back orders I'm in the process of putting together now Malcolm In the meantime has moved back to the States he's in living in Pennsylvania and we're going to be able to crank it out but that's Virginia McCullough okay another government operative so no no sooner did I neutralize Virginia McCullough because I went public with this it's on my website about Virginia McCullough then up Pops Dr Leonard Horowitz does anybody know that name and I'm shocked because Leonard Horowitz is telling me that I in this 12-page document I have a copy of it here he's telling me that Ted Gunderson and others are serving Mike lakino former head of the temple of Satan or excuse the Church of Satan and now the head of the Temple of set but I'm serving him what does that mean and also goes on and talks about me being involved in these various government activities and I'm a CIA operative and I uh I'm also an FBI operative and do you think I look like an FBI operative or CI operative no of course not as a matter of fact I've been kicked out of the x-aid in society because of the criticism that I've directed at the FBI I want to make it very clear there's a lot of good people in the FBI and the CIA however however is the people at the top okay that I have a problem with anyway this 12-page document goes on and on and on blasting me and similar to the information that the Southern Property Law Center and the uh anti-defamationally said I responded to Lynn Horowitz and it's on the internet I don't have a copy of it with me and basically uh I just told him I said you know you just exposed yourself because you're accusing me of being a government operative and working for the government we're criticizing the government at the same time so I'll be accepted in certain circles and now you've come in with this I neutralized Virginia McCullough now I've got a deal with Leonard Horowitz Leonard Horowitz is a government operative absolutely no question if you read this 12-page document you will see these are the tactics that they use they criticize the government these some of these people some of the people that they they pulled out of the woodwork in order that they will be accepted in Patriot circles and then these people criticize people like me they think they could be accepted and it discredits me now is this cointel Pro program in this disinformation program on the Internet is it affected my life you bet it has because I'm not being invited to these big conferences anymore where I could give a lecture in front of three four five hundred people this is exactly what the Rogue covert criminal government Enterprise wants that's why they do it so uh what's the uh what's the reward for me now I'm going to tell you what's happened to me in the last 30 years and I'm not telling you just because I'm looking for pity or I'm looking for sympathy or anything these are facts okay now where Roger said what do you say uh if it's true what do you say to anybody remember what he said you know huh uh anyway I forget what Will Rogers said I'll tell you what happened in the next lecture anyway what's happened to me I've had uh three contracts on my life okay I've had two other probable contracts and I will give you just a little detail about the contracts that were put on me so what you will understand is not just talk right off the top of my head um I might mention that in two of these instances through divine intervention I did not go home I lived in a 500 South Kelton in Westwood this was uh this was in the 1980s or mid-1980s and I had a door I lived in a Triplex and my door opened up onto the street the landlady who lived behind me on the second floor came home one morning 1 30 in the morning and here's two guys sitting across my front door in a car and one of them gets out and walks over to her do you know where Ted Gunnerson lives and I told her if anybody ever asked about me you don't know me and of course she said no she didn't know well she told me that the next day and I made some phone calls and I learned that there was a contract on me and fortunately I do have some good sources and it's kept me alive but what it really has kept me alive is on that particular night I didn't go home I stayed at a friend's house at the last minute so I say it's through divine intervention that I didn't go home in that particular night so one of the my contacts says I used to work with he gave me his name who is known as the cocaine King of the West Coast let me go talk to him let's go talk to him so there were one two three four of us and we went to talk to the quote cocaine King of the West Coast and we go in fella comes to the door lets us in we had an appointment it was on a Monday U.S escort this into the Parlor and then he takes us from The Parlor into another room and we sit down and little dog comes in about this big and smelled all of us and sat down at my feet and went to sleep and they quote King King of the West Coast comes in looks at the four of us my dog likes you I like you and I'm saying I'm sure happy about that to myself of course so he tells the other three to scan and I had been hired before this by a fellow named Robert Ferrante who came out of his office one night about midnight and a gunman steps out of the bushes with the ski mask on Fires uh 13 shots I think at him hits him five times he lived and Robert Franti hired me to find out who tried to kill him well earlier that evening that he came out of his office at 12 30 or so his accountant came out walked across the parking lot around 6 30. and there was a car parked with the back of the car against the building and the fella was just sitting there now at the time of the shooting a car similar to that was parked there and pulled out with the motor running there was another car another Direction opposite of him that was with his motor running and the gunman ran and jumped in the other car and then this first car took off well if you know anything about contract killings they will always have two cars so you can the gunman can get in one or the other depending on the circumstances so I took the accountant side put him under hypnosis by the way if you do hypnosis for artist conception it's much more effective uh and it's unbelievable the detail that you'll come up with I took the accountant aside we did an artist's conception of the fellow sitting in the parking lot at 6 30 that evening and very good artist conception I hired a former police officer who specialized in artist conceptions so when I knocked on the door cocaine King of the West Coast who Do You Think answers the door the guy in the artist conception right but I'm saying well there's four of us I don't think they're going to do away with all four of us so this is the fellow that let us in let us in the Parlor and let the dog come in so the cocaine of the West Coast tells the other three to scat out of the room and sits down with me and he says how many children do you have well I know what the message meant you know she screw up I you know your kids Dives are endangered and I told him then he pulls this artist's conception he had a copy of the artist's conception and he said who gave this to you and I said if you're going to do a harm to him I'm not going to tell you I'll take the heat myself and he was kind of miffed about that he said I didn't say I was going to do anything I said okay promise you won't and I'll tell you so I told him the story about the accountant and so on and so forth and uh he said okay he said let me make a phone call I'll be right back so he left the room and he came back he says you're right you got to hit on you I can take care of one of them I can't take care of the other one I said I got two hits on me yeah so I said well take care of the one and I'll see what I can do about the other one and uh so he left and came back again he said okay I made a phone call don't go home or to your office until Friday this was Monday so I lived in a hotel room that whole week with a gun under my pillow and I didn't move I paid cash for the room that was before you had to finish identification and it's kind of interesting because every time somebody walked down the hall in the middle of the night I would wake up and it was after that that I uh by the way that hit was taken off uh thanks to him he called me later and asked me to do a favor about six months later and I won't need to go into that but the point of this story is divine intervention I didn't go home that night a friend of mine said stay with me this night and uh you know we'll go from there and so in anyway I ended up driving to I've had some friends drive me to Dallas I remember I slept in the back of the car in the back seat of the car for like 21 hours a whole that's how long it took to drive to Dallas because I hadn't had any sleep in a week and then while I was over there I'm saying to myself I got to get rid of this other hand this is all new world order stuff this is all Illuminati okay they put hits out on people all the time don't bat an eye so I'm over there and I get a call from a fellow in Los Angeles come over I want to talk to you and this particular person had some pretty good contacts because he knew about my situation you know I had two hits put on me at the same time and a long story short this particular person was able to take the second hit off of me that was just one another occasion 1986 I said to myself you know I've had enough cops and robbers in my life I'm getting out and I'm going to go in business for myself divine intervention again the good Lord wasn't going to let me get out of this work that I'm doing and I invested every dime I had and I lost it all and so I had to go back in the private investigation work didn't have to because I had a pretty good retirement check so this fellow I was living with my business partner and his wife and kid my business partner went overseas went to Argentina I think it was and uh I was he was gone for a while and then my daughter had a road trip and I house sat for her and on that particular night an individual and I found out later his name was Bill menser known as Charles Manson II came into the house about 11 o'clock she was on the third floor it was a tri-level and heard him coming in and the dog went banana she closed the door went to the telephone to make a phone call didn't work because the phone down in the kitchen had been taken off the hook and uh she sat there and waited it out got her gun out he didn't come upstairs again I made some phone calls and I didn't go home that night because when my daughter came back from her road trip I was staying in her house and we decided to watch a movie at the last minute so divine intervention absolutely no question about it and the other two probables are I don't need to go into them but there was a fellow who was hanging around my P.O box for quite a while and I have to send somebody else in to pick up my mail this is all this is all new world order as I said a few moments ago this is all what they do they kill people and because thenich but uh I forget his uh the congressman no there's a congressman from Ohio that I think it's kucinich he has asked for an inquiry into the CIA hit teams that are operating in this country today okay he's asked for an inquiry but nobody's paying attention to him uh that's just one I had I can't tell you how many illegal burglaries illegal entries I've had into my home it's like Grand Central Station they're in and out of there uh and it's unbelievable um I took a trip when I was in Nebraska I was gone for about three weeks I came back and I had my research 500 boxes of research over a period of years stored in the third bedroom they helped themselves to 200 boxes of my research okay they're in and out of my car on a regular basis I can right here in La I park down up from her parking down downtown and I came back and they turned they do this all the time turn the directions Signal on I guess I start the car up the direction Signal's on I had my car stolen twice um I had my brake lines cut I have had two windows shot out when I was standing nearby they were intimidating me they weren't real bullets fortunately they were air bullets and uh that's what they're trying to do the trend intimidate me I've been poisoned in Las Vegas I was poisoned and what they did there they had the only way they could have poisoned me is they had the condominium next to me and they were pumping uh poison in through the air ducts um I had my let's see in my right front tire come off between nice driving between Omaha and river and Lincoln 60 miles 75 miles an hour the right front tire came off Highway Patrol came looked at it was Johnny Camp's uh pickup truck by the way I had gone from Lincoln to Omaha to talk to a source and the only way they would know that was by tapping John's telephones and I found out the highway patrolman looked at it says hey you're lug nuts have been loosened and they tried to loosen the lug nuts on the left front tire but somebody must have interrupted them because they weren't successful there they wanted both tires to come off at the same time my mail's been opened diverted and intercepted my phone was cut off once and I call the phone company I said hey you just continued my phone oh why and they said well we sent you a bill you didn't pay it they said where'd you send it they sent it to a fictitious address in Florida never heard of it um I've had mail disappear people writing written to me and I've never received it surveillances are surveillances are almost daily occurrence and what I do is I get you I do u-turns on them and get around behind them and chase them and it did they they tried to intimidate me look I've been I was in a gun battle in Memphis Tennessee at the airport they're going to intimidate me they're not going to intimidate me I'm not afraid of them I've dealt with terrorists when I was in the FBI and I have a I remember when the back in about 90 or 91 they put a a a dirt bag out just parked across the street maybe four or five cars up and I would see him there and I put on my gun go out and get in my car drive by three miles an hour stare them down do a U-turn three miles an hour stare them down then I park in behind them and they couldn't get out of there fast enough one of them are in a red light and I chased another one and cornered him on on the street blocked him and I reached under my front seat like I was going for a piece and his eyes got Vegas saucers and I was on a street where they went up the hill and down it was one way I went up and down and parked at the bottom of the hill and then he started coming up and I was watching my rearview mirror I'd see the top of the car and when he saw me he stopped and backed up the wrong way in a one-way Street by the way I've got some pretty good license numbers a lot of license numbers it's unsaving my business has been sabotaged Virginia McCullough I've had telephone Taps I sue GTE back in the 80s got an out-of-court settlement I've had threatening phone calls I came back from a trip once uh and I got up in the morning I was looking for a file on a desk and I had a phone call 8 27. the voice said male voice said did you find your file click that hidden camera in my house I was gassed on the free attempted guest on the freeway they gasped my webmaster Clarence Fountain Malcolm um I've interrupted two attempts to steal my car I've had flat tires in one instance I had three Nails in the same tire that's a little more than a coincidence I think I've had my gun stolen I had four guns stolen out of my house in Nebraska I sleep with a gun under my pillow I have three combat Magnum and one day it was a couple years ago I check it regularly I checked it and somebody come in and taking the bullets out of it so if they came in on me I was gonna have to throw the gun at them I guess um cameras they've taken pictures of me um I've been my webmaster was hit with uranium-235 I know for a fact I've had a trash cover on me um the my computer has been sabotaged I've been expelled from the hexagent society I've had I've talked about my plants the disinformation program would call it Horowitz and so forth those are just the life of a person who dares to take them on also I might mention that in the early 1880s I had four investigations of me I know because I applied through the freedom information act and one of the reports came they sent me back it wasn't anything significant a couple of pages on a report and they said in the interest of quote National Security we can't give you the full file but it's kind of interesting because one of the reports at the end it said that they consider me armed and dangerous okay well I am armed and dangerous with knowledge right um thanks thank you Pam Fawcett we put a girl on me Pam Fawcett um the EA and FBI I dealt with her on the phone for six months she was in Modesto tried to set me up on a drug deal and she called me one day and said I need to talk to you she came down I met her at the time I think it was Hugh's Market or Ralph's market across from the uh this place on Ventura Boulevard the Sportsman's Lodge and she told me that the whole story about how they had tried to set me up through her and drugs through her and I said Pam why why are you coming over to my side now she I have the names of the FBI agent and the deas who dealt with it she said and I was trying to help her on the phone I tried to help her with her 14 year old kid he got in trouble down Florida and she said I woke up the other morning and I realized you're the only honest son of a I've talked to in six months those are exact words Pam took a polygraph past it and last time I talked to her she said there was a hit on oh here's casinich Dennis kucinich that was it this is an American Free Press April the 6th 2009 Dennis calls for probe of U.S hit team so what do we have well we have the NSA and the FBI have teamed up with ATT and Verizon to spy on U.S citizens this is all documented President Bush reauthorized the secret program more than 30 times to spy on Americans since September 11 2001. U.S government NSA has tapped its entire internet system FBI can hear everything you say when cell phones are off the code word for this program is Quantico all paid phones at Grand Central Station in New York are tabbed the Bush Administration began spying on American seven months pregnant 9-1-1 president authorized our intelligence ages to a database every citizen in the U.S seven months prior to September of 11. uh project in game the rounding up of 775 000 Americans by the shadow government began on February 24th 2009. two of my very closest friends very frankly have disappeared I don't know what's happened to them we have thousands of guillotines they were shipped in here from Japan in Atlanta Georgia we have 500 000 caskets that hold 30 40 bodies in each casket we have a thousand internment camps around the country we have sensors on the major highways every quarter of a mile I talked to one of the installers you're right here in California centers but that keep track of your car sensors yeah did I pronounce it right or wrong that's right okay let's go to Nebraska because I have an excuse it sometimes okay yeah the Patriots we have the Patriot Act I don't tell you about the Patriot I mean I'm sure you're aware of that okay the Constitution violations and the Amendments that they've done away with through the Patriot Act are you got them here someplace all of them probably all have um yeah here they are the Sixth Amendment right to a speedy trial Eighth Amendment uh no cruel and unusual punishment 13th Amendment punishment without conviction it took 262 Republicans 77 Democrats to kill the Bill of Rights this is all part like as I said earlier of the terrorist movement foreign I told you about The Guillotines the caskets we have U.S troops in the United States Holloman Air Force Base Air Force German air force a girl a lady came up to me back in the 90s and said that she was from New Mexico she deliberately dated a German Aaron from Holloman to find out what they were doing here he said when the revolution starts we're going to strafe the cities Beatrice Nebraska where I live for a short period a town of 12 500. they have an air on the base there they have an airport the airport is more the runway is more than a mile long there's no commercial airplanes come in there it's all private they're extending expanding the length of the airport why so a bigger plane is going to land there I guess but there's no commercial planes coming in over a mile long now the Chemtrails one of my sources told me that the plains in the north Midwest are plant Chemtrails are out of the Air National Guard Lincoln Nebraska I made a trip to the airport and I found four giant airplanes with no markings on them on the runway at the irritational guard another informant told me Fort Sill Oklahoma is what they're using in the southern Southwest United States uh okay that kind of gives you I think I laid the foundation pretty well didn't I really yeah okay I just tell you what they're after okay I'm not the only victim there's thousands of Americans out there by the way I've been shot with a laser beam twice in my back fortunately they're not very good aims am I uh my webmaster Clarence milk had been shot also but now what I'm going to do the rest of my time here what time do we have are we doing on time 9 20. okay so I've been on here about an hour and a half I want to tell you about one of my cases and then in the lectures in the future I will tell you about individual cases I've worked and investigated that absolutely without any question establishes there is a conspiracy and Ill infiltration into the lower levels of the government all the way to the White House this is the John Van Meter case on Halloween 2004 John Van Meter a Woodsman from Wisconsin had attended a conference in Sonoma County California and after the conference he was driving home and he uh saw five or six automobiles black automobiles with people in them driving into the woods he did a u-turn he came back and a safe distance from what was taking place he could see a fire he could see a girl in the nude tied against the tree and most of the people there were in the nude and uh he said this is not right so somebody shot at him and he got his gun out being a wizman he carried a gun and he shot back long story short he shot and killed for him broke up the ceremony and rescued the girl carried over and put in the car the other scattered and he chased the leader into the woods and shot and killed him okay had a pretty exciting evening that night didn't he um he uh looked in the the at the body of the woods of the leader and took a card out a little business card out and on the back of it was a 202 area number area code the next day he called and a female answered Federal Bureau Investigation the next day he called and that might have been disconnected and when he was chasing the leader through the woods they had a running conversation and the leader said we had the police and the FBI in our Hip Pocket here if you kill me you'll live in a 10 by 10 cell the rest of your life so John ends up reporting to the police Sonoma County and goes back home and they filed charges against him claiming that he filed a false report and they waited four days to go out into the woods and search the area the police did and uh so he talks to he hires an attorney in Sonoma County and the attorney says don't come back here it's corrupt and law enforcement's corrupt you'll end up serving time the attorney worked out a deal with them with John to uh front didn't find him ten thousand dollars and a year probation two years probation I think and no jail time because they said that he shot himself okay he goes back to Wisconsin in April the 19th 2006 a year and a half later anybody remember that day that's really a significant day didn't Oklahoma City Waco he goes out in the woods and he's a Woodsman at that and he Two Fellas come out drive out park the car get out and here's what I'm saying he's mine he has another gun battle he knocks one of them down four times the other one down twice and they had enough they took off he goes to the police and he tells the police what happened and they say he shot himself he was shot nine times with six different weapons his pickup truck had 25 bullets in it and he shot himself so John had a trial they tried him we brought an expert in from I went to the trial we brought an expert in from Madison Wisconsin who said he could not possibly shot himself based on the circumstances and John was tried and convicted and they changed their story from he shot himself to he lied to the police John Toby sure had to lie to the police I didn't trust him why would I light of the police so that shows you and by the way he's placed on probation and during the one-year probation out of Wisconsin somebody planted a marijuana plant in his garden obviously they wanted the probation officer to find it the probation officers came by regularly searched his home without a search warrant looking for guns looking for Booze you can't have either one when you're on probation and then last February the 6th his house burned to the ground early in the morning so that just shows you how the corruption has permeated down to the very lowest level Sonoma County and Lincoln County Wisconsin this man could not possibly shot himself as I said he was shot nine times with six different weapons I have a copy of the letter here that the girl wrote by the way she's in hiding she changed her name several times and uh nobody knows John and a few others about her whereabouts yeah she was kidnapped she was kidnapped out of a parking lot in Oakland four guys came at her in daylight and shot her in the in the thigh with a needle she lost Consciousness and they put her in a van uh would you like to read the leader the letter that that she wrote okay I'm the woman from the satanic cult abduction case on Halloween I'm scared to death of them finding out who I am so I'm not coming forward the only person I ever I'm ever going to tell is my brother uh by the way she uh jumped in the car and drove to her into Oakland and called her brother her brother came and picked her up she did she was in the nude mother she had no clothes on he thinks it would be best if State I stay Anonymous but he has convinced me to write down everything I remember exactly as I can and send it to the police so this is what I'm doing they were going to rape and murder me and I hope they get caught people need to know what's happened to me I'm so scared they will find out who I am I'm writing on an old typewriter so it won't be in I'm on my hard drive it started Saturday night I was walking across the parking lot in Oakland four guys got out of a car and grabbed me they gave me a shot where the hypodermic needle in my thigh I was unconscious for seconds when I woke up I had handcuffs on my on behind my back my feet were tied together the handcuffs were tied to something I couldn't move they put tape over my eyes and my mouth I didn't know where I was or how long I was there I was thirsty and felt like I couldn't breathe I had to go to the bathroom I was terrified I laid there and thought about what had happened to me over a long period of time I'm not a religious person but I prayed for the first time in my life for God to save me I must have I went to sleep and dreamed in a dream I saw a big white dog it sat down turned its head sideways and looked at me I felt like the dog was a girl dog and she came to help me I can't explain it any other way then I got up and ran away I don't know why I'm even saying this it just seems weird and real I woke up again I had to go to the bathroom so bad I finally gave up and you're not urinated in my pants it was awful then it was wet and cold after a long time I heard noises like a car door opening and a couple of guys grabbed me one guy said pissed on the floor the other guy said something like shut up clean it up and load uh this stuff in I'm pretty sure now I was in the van in the back of a van they took me into a search or something in the house or something the guy said if you cooperate we won't hurt you if you struggle we will kill you is that understood I'm not in my head yes what could I do he said what would you like something to drink and not a yes and they took the tape off my mouth and gave me some water or something it tasted funny they started to take my clothes off and I was sure they were going to rape me the guy said just relax we're not going to give you we're going to give you a bath now they guided me into a bathtub and washed me all over with a cloth and shampooed my hair I was really scared it was weird they dried me off and blew my hair dry with a blower dryer and a brush they put tape back on my mouth and put a cup a white terry cloth robe on me they set me down on the chair I couldn't see anything because the tape on my eyes I could see the voice I could hear voices in another room I was getting pretty sleepy I think that there was something in the water they gave me then a couple of guys got to me they took me out and put me in the back of the van and drove away I know I knew there were other people in the van but they didn't talk they just played this loud instrumental heavy metal music they drove me for a long time I felt very sleepy after a long time the van stopped the couple got got me out my feet were bare and I was standing in dirt I heard a lot of people talking quietly I heard clicking noises in the van a guy behind me said what are you doing the other guy said you know getting ready for sanitizing after then the first guy said dude we haven't I had the party at I thought it was so weird I remember it then I heard a woman voice say this is the sacrifice she untied my robe and put her hands on my breasts she said uh how did that how did she test a guy said perfectly she put her body next to me I could feel her she was naked she said to my ear I'm going to drink your blood I felt suddenly very sick I started to collapse a big guy picked me up and walked with me then they set me down and took off the van cuffs they tied my hands and arms and put a Roper on my neck they took the tape off my eyes I was in the forest they had tried they had tied me to a tree or something I was so scared I was shaking I knew I was going to die for a naked women walked to me one was wearing chains with rings in her nipples and she had a big knife she ripped the tape off my mouth and touched my breasts with the knife then she grabbed jabbed at my face repeatedly with the knife I was terrified I wanted to kill her the they tried to the Rope they tied the Rope opening behind me they touched me I don't want to be graphic but they did a sexual things to me they made me have an orgasm then they did things to each other and masturbated and had wild orgasms the that this was the worst awful woman we're doing this to me I hope they all get Terminator terminal disease and rot in hell some guys uh unrolled in plastic a big plastic sheet in front of me and made a fire it was getting dark a bunch of people gathered in front of me they were all naked and they started shaming some weird language a man came and stood in front of uh of me he was older than the others maybe 30. he was over six feet tall and a real lean Bill his hair was almost black so he was so was his beard he had weird eyes somebody uh was behind me and pulled it rope tight on my neck uh he had his hands on my breast I I stared at him he stared at me and never blanked I couldn't help thinking looking into his eyes it was like hypnosis he put me in a trance it was like starting staring at a snake he began to put his penis in me then I heard uh yelling loud yelling and gun shooting the snake eye man jerked away from me and stood looking through the forest towards the noise everybody ran to the trees the Snake Man poured water on the fire and walked away quietly then I heard him say kill her a naked a naked man came forward towards me with a knife a man came running up with a silver gun and shot him right in the front of me he was big and tall old man and he had a white beard that's John Van Meter by the way uh and that's the one that was tried um and he had a white beard I heard a loud bang behind me I saw the shot hit the old man in the side of his stomach and knocked him down he shot back multiple times while laying down and got up started cutting the Rope on my arms and the night with the knife somebody else shot at us and and the man shot back then he said something like hold on girl I'll get you loose or something I felt down the man picked me up with his arms around my waist and walked away fast he shot me his gun twice and yelled very loud no more harm will come to this girl then he said something about coming straight from God to kill him all he called them sons of and said he was going to kill them all I'm pretty sure that's what he said I think he scared them nobody shot it at us anymore we got in the car and on the road I think he asked me if I could drive I said yes he put me in a in a car and and said something to uh fast thinks it said and he put me in the car and said some fast things to me all I really heard was go home and stay Anonymous I couldn't believe he was uh going with me wasn't going with me I couldn't believe I was going to live when I was so sure I was going to die before he wanted me to go but I asked him are you an angel end quote I'll never forget his eyes he had blood on his face but his eyes glowed brightly blue like they were fluorescent or something he said no but one sent me to you he said now go I'll call the cops and slam the door I hated to leave him I felt safe with him I don't know why he wasn't going to go with me I drove as fast as I could I almost ran off the road a couple of times I don't know where I was even when I finally got to the highway I I went the wrong way until I realized where I was and turned around and went home when I really got home it was really late I was still shaking and I had blood on my on me I wear the wound low man carried me I felt sick for him I found one out later that nobody would even even knew I was gone I couldn't believe it I was hurt by it until I realized it was my own fault then with this this was a payback for all the times I fought with my parents over them wanting to know where I was going every minute I opened the newspaper princess so I could say to the kids stop fighting um with your parents there is a reason why they want you to know where you are my brother and I took the car and parked it in Berkeley he said he'd call the cops and and tell him where it was we looked at it in it to see if we could find any who belonged to it was weird there was some nothing in the glove box or ashtray and no litter on the floor nothing nobody's car is this clean the only thing in it was four black sweatshirts they have four black sweet sweatpants all identical we opened the trunk and all that was and there was a used a a used syringe this then it hit me this red Pontiac was a car the guy got out of who abducted me they must have put me in the trunk we're going to have to uh this the syringe test and see what they shot me with also when I was showering I noticed that pet painful needle Mark in my forearm then I remember how they one bit said how did she test they drew blood from me while I was unconscious to test for what age then I remembered how that guy said exactly perfect and I wonder if it was something else they really scared me I'm really sick and frightened for the man who saved me I don't have a TV and haven't been calm enough to watch for anybody else with anybody else my wonderful brother has uh been on the run and hadn't heard anything definite either I learned last night how you can tell a lot about a man who's looking real close into his eyes the Snake Man and the old man who saved me were exactly what I would say you can see it in their eyes what I remember most of this is the shiny blue eyes of the man who saved me he reminded me of my late grandfather I want I went to wow I want him to live because he's a good man who somehow miraculously saved me and because I went down to write in the newspaper and explained to me why he looks like my grandfather I can't think of him dying and I'm scared to death at what's going to happen I I know now why he stayed there he was mad as hell and he wanted to kill him grandfather had a bad temper too for bad people I hope he does kill him I know these these snakes did this before to others like me and if they live they will do it again I especially want the snake eye man to die I never want to see him again ever people like this can't be rehabilitated in prison I can never forgive them it took me all afternoon and all night to write this hope it makes sense to someone whoever reads it I had to take a lot of breaks before crying the sun would be up soon and it would be another day my brother is leaving soon to mail this away from my home I don't even know I want these snakes to know the ZIP code I live in then he's going out to the forest where I think I was to look for the man who saved me I'm going to stay home and pray for God to save this man he saved me I hope we will save the man he will save the man who is sent to do this I don't know this will help catch the snakes who tried to rape and kill me I tried hard to remember any anything I could I'm still shaken up I can't think I'll ever be normal again that's it there's fifty thousand fifty to sixty thousand human sacrifices a year by satanic Cults in this country okay I have that from very reliable sources three different satanic sources um so basically what are the solutions what are the solutions elect our own people to office excuse me the right to bear arms Second Amendment take control of the money abolish the Federal Reserve take control educate the sheriffs take control of as best you can their last ranking law enforcement officer in each County abolished unnecessary federal agencies this reduces the government budget and expenses repeal all unconstitutional acts and then educate educate educate uh missing children is another issue I won't go into that I think the time has just about run out but CPS can come around as they they almost did with us in claytonia Nebraska on an anonymous tip and take your child away from you and this is in direct violation of the Fourth Amendment uh the uh secure the right to be secure in your home against unreasonable search and seizure the sixth amendment to face your accused you don't ever face your accused uh seventh Try by jury and eighth excessive bail um in the future I will be discussing uh the truth about the al-Qaeda terrorist movement the McDonald case and detailed Victor galastian murder a cover-up by the FBI ATF and um the LA County Sheriff's Office Kevin Jeffrey Digman murder he was head of a task force to expose drugs in the Marine base in Camp Pendleton not camping but what's the one in San Diego that's the yeah Pendleton okay uh the Franklin cover-up where they were taking kids out of Omaha orphanages foster homes flying them to Washington DC for secretary McMartin preschool case the Art Bell lawsuit which is a phony lawsuit and a cover-up by the FBI and LAPD in another case anyway it's been a pleasure being here tonight I want to thank you all I have a I was just out of the hospital recently and I had eight hundred thousand dollar hospital bill would anybody like to volunteer to pay that for me actually I'm responsible for 20 of it so a few folks yes question a for B on that hey what hey how's that I don't know thanks [Applause] [Music] [Applause] thank you thank you the way to get back up to him is easier on the back of your Social Security card it's a an accused of number kissing number is a attachment to a federal ID bank account probably have millions of dollars in it that you don't know anything about should look into this you can pay off a house pay off Loans pay off credit cards pay off bills of enormous amounts people who are doing it people learning how to do this it's associated with the federal government there are ways to finding out more about it it's something that we should all know about that's great thank you very much in the back of my social security card okay back of your Social Security number is a federal ID number okay that's great thank you very much yeah yes any other questions oh go ahead Ted we're wondering if um Talk a few things about current events about the terrorism in America right now a little bit I think it's big like a few minutes on that yeah um I actually did touch on this uh Wendy earlier in my lecture okay but this is all planned in order to pass the hang on this is all planned yeah the terrorist movement is organized and planned in order to pass a terrorist movement I mean I call it the terrorist uh bill I exactly they call it the Patriot bill I called the terrorist bill and uh also the homeland security and what I'm concerned about is that uh you know we're going to have a rough road ahead for all of us in this regard yes okay my question to you is then um I was kind of busy I didn't hear all the beginning of it sorry um my question to you is um a buddy of mine who were talking and then I talked to another friend of mine tonight um you know we're thinking where would possibly they do a second 911 it won't be necessarily Towers but some type of incident and we were wondering what your your thoughts on you know they're trying to get the the highway through um you know that great North America Highway and that Spain owns but they can't get the people off the land so if they were to do something in the midwest to get the people off the land so that they could do this highway from Texas from Mexico Texas all the way to Canada and then of course you would separate the America because you'd have the east coast and the west coast and you have this highway between um do you think it's possible that they might hit the Midwest for this this highway that they're trying to get in uh the information I have now and it's from a good source is that there are two nuclear bombs in the United States and my source believes that the targets are going to be the Capitol building in Wall Street okay Wall Street Gray yeah okay yeah that's good they just focus on Goldman Sachs yeah um also I have information reliable information that there are 37 surfaced air missiles that were smuggled into the United States back in 2001 that came up from Guatemala to Canada and then into the United States they came in the United States in four different private airplanes we don't know where they are but can you imagine 37 surface area missiles that they shot down commercial airplanes simultaneously around the country that would be pretty serious situation yes question um a two-part well a couple of questions uh what do you know the latest on any information with regards to the former Lieutenant Colonel Michael Kino and uh go ahead and answer that and I'll follow up with this next one no I don't know the latest information I know that he had a International Convention in San Francisco here not too long ago and I went up along with Doug Millar and Peter chirness and we demonstrated outside on the sidewalk outside the hotel and the priest came along and arrested Peter and Doug and didn't arrest me for the demonstration but he was there and his wife what's her name Xena the police something like yeah Xena she was there also and the hotel security didn't like what we were doing but we did it anyway so I don't know but I know that he's uh uh is he's with NSA if you check the internet on him he's a tough NSA official oh is he that's what I understand he's officially in the NSA now yes wow uh the other question I have is um with you know trying to figure out a solution for what's going on obviously education is a big part of it and being able to get the word out however based on your story it appears that getting the word out puts a great big fat Target on you um how do you find the balance I don't worry about the balance I just keep going forward I'm like the energy bunny rabbit so so hanging on the on the Drone but someone but most most of us don't have the uh don't have the privilege of being a former FBI with all these different contacts and ways to keep yourself safe um so what do you suggest for people like the Layman guy out here who ends up with the target well just to get the research and pass it out to your friends senator anonymously if you want to you know but we're all Targets we're all going to be targets eventually anybody everybody I'm sure you haven't we have informants in here hi guys give me your social security number and I'll give you some free DVDs okay and your date of birth okay yeah hi there this is about uh Dr Lane Horowitz um you're saying he's a disinfo agent and what do you know why specifically he's attacking you oh yeah he's attacking me because I think he's a government operative that's his assignment look Virginia McCullough came after me and I neutralized her uh by going to the D.A and finding out who she was she anonymously you know should have been Anonymous phone call but uh she made the mistake of sending emails to the district attorney Randy rittenauer so he knew who she was and he without telling me verbally orally he nodded his head yes so I neutralized service he's just the next guy in line to come after me because I just have seen a video of him where he was interviewing Dr gallo they discovered out of AIDS and and he did a good job on that and I thought I don't understand what you're saying he actually confronted Dr Robert gallo uh at conference one time and accused him of being a Founder a creator of AIDS and I thought that's quite a bold thing for him to do and now he's turned around and he's attacking you I I thought that was a bit strange I mean I don't see his motivation for attacking you why why would he do that that's his assignment he's that's his assignment to neutralize me try to neutralize me keep me from God giving lectures all over the country I'm look I'm there's a possibility I'll be doing lecture tour in Europe by the way after the first of the year but those people are more receptive as a group than they are in this country they know more about what's going on than we do here because the mainstream media by the way on February the 9th I don't know if I don't think I mentioned this in my lecture February 9th 1917 Congressman Callaway did I say this in the lecture uh announced that the JP Morgan interests had taken over uh 29 of major of Americans major newspapers in order to control the Press on March the 15th of uh uh of 1915 1913 let me see February the 9th of 1917 was 1930 1913 I think it was yeah it's not it's not possible that lens just confused or he's just said the wrong thing I don't know yeah oh no no he's just a government operative he he's one of the boys it's just it's hard for me as a newbie to understand that's why that's why that's why they chose him to to be because he has credibility I know I started along he was my friend until I read this his 12-page document wow yeah no it's it's like uh you know they put people out there claiming to be Patriots and instead of Patriots they're actually stirring up trouble the FBI is notorious for uh they put they plant informants in with groups and they Advocate violence and they don't commit the violence this happened in West Virginia I think it was and everybody gets arrested and you think the FBI informants uh going to be yeah he's arrested but the gift they let him out the back door so so when will you be given a talk on Al-Qaeda that was something I was really interested in I understand what he's saying are you good Al Qaeda yeah yeah when you want me to talk about it no when will you be given your talk on an arcade I don't know it's up to Wendy when she'll have me back or else I'll do a DVD I'll do my own DVD on it okay yeah okay well you know the whole terrorist movement is it's all planned it's part of the master plan by the Illuminati New World Order Illuminati yeah I apologize for because I when I handled that Skyjack in Philadelphia I said under stood under three jet engines um we're running and I had lost a hearing loss so sometimes it's difficult for me to understand yes uh earlier in your talk you mentioned the aims of the Illuminati and you said one of them was to gain control of the media to control the public mind well I noticed in the United States and everywhere uh the media is in the hands of Jews so what is the relationship between the Illuminati uh the Illuminati were as I were formed in by in Germany by the Rothschild family and so forth so what is the relationship who's the boss is it Rothschild is it some who I don't know exactly who's the boss okay but I do I can't tell you this when you make a note of this mj-12 magic 12. and go home and check it on the Internet mj-12 or 12 individuals behind the scene who are actually running the country in this United States and this is a a tool the mj-12 magic 12 mj-12 and not 1912 mj-12 MJ M like Mary J like John you mean this Flying Saucer business no no no these in 1947 Harry Truman and the national Securities act established a committee of 12 outstanding prominent individuals outstanding by their standards not ours and uh and uh and anyway these are the 12 men and if one of them they're not appointed by the president they're within their own Circle and if one of them is to get sick or dies or something uh they uh they decide among themselves who will replace him an mj-12 has been active since 1947. uh I've got a terrorist intelligence report I'm putting out right now it's 100 pages long by the way and uh those are the boys behind the scenes and uh so those are the ones that by the way Cheney is uh uh well I don't know if Rothschild is one of the members or not we have a fella here who does know some of the members are but he's not ready to come forward uh the as far as the Jews and the there's a difference the Jewish religion is a very good religion I mean I'm not a Jew I'm a Christian but they have a lot of good points but we're talking about designers not the Jews not the Jewish not not the really religious people and uh and so be it that's the way it is but mj-12 are the ones that are running calling the shots in this country Yeah question uh yes I I know you're our esteemed speaker tonight but I thought earlier um you said that you were in charge of the group that neutralized the Black Panthers and it's my understanding that it came out in the church hearings or some subsequent hearing that they were neutralized by uh death squads from the FBI who went and killed them in the middle of night while they were sleeping am I mistaken no they were talking about the Hoffman case in Chicago and that was a Chicago Police that killed him not the FBI okay thank you okay you know so you're saying categorically that you were not involved with any death squads I've never I wouldn't even think of it okay not not in any circumstances if I go into any detail on the Black Panthers uh what we I'll give you an example a quick example uh how we in cointelpro okay we we sent an anonymous letter to the secretary treasurer of the Black Panther chapter New Haven told him that the chairman was having an affair with his wife we sent an anonymous letter to the chairman saying that the chair the secretary treasurer was embezzling money from the chapter quintelpro worked okay but if that's as nefarious as it gets that's that's pretty benign by the standards that we're used to dealing with I know but it knew it looks it's happening to me it's not very benign to me because I'm not being invited to conspiracy conference 2009 uh some of these other Steve hempling's group up in Santa Cruz they've neutralized me across the board people believe that I am married Anton LaVey some people do some people don't have any sense Anton lavey's Widow I saved her life some people believe that I was kicked out of the FBI for practicing satanic ceremonies in the federal building that's not true I mean not even true but some people believe it well thank you for coming here thank you thank you for coming tonight Mr Gunderson thank you sir call me Ted okay um my question uh was from Reit hearing you read The Narrative about the Witchcraft and you know it got me thinking about uh this lady uh J K rowlings that's the uh author of the Harry Potter books books and it got me thinking about um skull and bones and and the Bohemian club which I'm sure everybody knows uh about here but the thing is you know look at who we have you know on the world scene we've got uh Obama and we've got uh David Cameron you know in England and you know you look at those guys and it looks like you know they might have come out of uh some Harry Potter School you know what I'm saying you know I mean I mean you know yeah it seems funny but you know you know the people behind the scenes might have picked them say 5 10 and just you know brought him up and said okay you know uh this is what we this is the circle and the goals that we want for you you know and I just you know they're young and you know it just makes me wonder because you know you look back at and and I'd like to get your you know opinion on this uh you look back at the youth you know how they just you know just came up uh the door right doors where we're open both of them are relatively very young and then you have this woman who is focused in on our youth and the media you know at least the media in the states can't seem to uh sit down and do a documentary on her or interviewer you know she just seems to like float around and you know you never think about it until another movie's out directed at all these kids you know I'd like to get your opinion on that well a time and time and time again we see Hollywood coming out with a movie people think it's Fiction it's not true and yet 5 10 8 15 years later whatever it might be it comes to pass and so it makes me think hey do you think people in Hollywood know what's going on ahead of time well I think we do most of us here uh even though I'm talking to the choir uh this require is knowledgeable because you can come into the Granada Forum on a regular basis yeah yes sir yeah so I just wanted to thank you personally you've been a great person I want to thank you personally you've been a real personal hero of mine for two years now and thank you very much for continuing to speak out as you do even in 82 years old 82 yeah 82. thank you um my first question is you mentioned two nuclear devices are those nuclear devices the South African nukes that I've read a lot about it heard a lot about that was a backdoor deal with Israel and South Africa are those the two nukes you're referring to according to my source the size of a thermos bottle the size of a thermos bottle okay are those part of the backdoor deal with Israel that they did with South Africa to build 10 nuclear devices and there are two of them left I've been I've read up on yeah I don't know that I don't know the answer to that question okay and then towards the end of your luxury you mentioned trying to win your Sheriff to your side um and I learned a lot about corruption in L.A County oh yeah and how do you how do you how do you reach Sheriff Leroy Baca how do you win a sheriff to your side when it appears like he's corrupted you know by the Department of Homeland Security how do you go about trying to help win a sheriff to your side so our county is protected um any advice on that the only thing I know about Sheriff's Office is that the other one are in the newspaper is that I know for a fact on that one case I have the Victor galastian murder he was blown out of the hard top of his Buick driving down the road that they along with the FBI and uh apatf covered up the case other than that I you know I don't know anything about Baca and the rest of the people here all I know is we have a huge cover-up and we have a huge conspiracy here let me ask you a question did I did I based on what I said tonight did I convince you that there is a conspiracy yes okay because think of it this way think of it this way uh uh private Enterprise right they if they invest money they want to return on their money there's no return on the money of these people running around chasing me on surveillances you follow what I'm saying another there's no return and who we could Finance these all these operations that have been directed against me not only me but other people numerous other people who could finance that it's got to be through the covert drug operation it's got to be through child kidnappings and so forth so private Enterprise one they want to return you think that you know General Motors or Macy's or somebody's going to invest money to come out and try to discredit me no they're not going to do that so think of it that way that's that's pretty solid information I think yes okay two questions number one is the FBI hit teams are they the FBI that are employed right now by the FBI or could they be um XS X FBI people that have their own security um companies I I don't think that the FBI is hiring are using their own people for hit team I don't know the FBI has a hit team the hit team is based on everything that I've seen uh is by the military intelligence saying that they military like the Army to do the hit yes okay there's people inside I think it's mainly military McVay Oklahoma City right he wrote a letter to his uh sister saying uh and this appeared in the Dallas Morning News uh that he had been approached by the CIA to be involved as a contract Killer this is in black and white and also to work on the CIA drug operation okay now the second question is the German military that's in our country right now you said that when the revolution starts are they going to try and disarm us are they just going to fight with us or what is who going to who we got not only German troops here based on uh information I've picked up and researched that we got other nations here we got I think Swedish troops in Colorado the reason I say that because 100 went into the woods to do some hunting here a couple of years ago and he was approached by a group of men in uniform and he said they had Swedish accents okay and then what are they going to do exactly that's what I want to know I don't know either but I'm telling you what I think they're going to do why do you think they're extending the runways a Runway is aware in small airports I didn't know they were yeah I said I mentioned the Beatrice did I mention that okay yeah Beatrice Airport the runway is over a mile long and they're extending that and there's no commercial traffic coming in there okay okay what I think the plan is what I think is I'd have no idea if this is true or not I think there are plans first of all we've been labeled red blue and green red are going to be picked up and immediately executed by the way a stop government official has made the statement that the best way to harvest body parts is through the guillotine in 1995 and 1996 the Georgia legislature passed a law that uh prisoners who were sentenced to death for Crime could choose the guillotine as their means of being executed it's kind of ironic that they have that law in the books in Georgia in 1995-96 and now they're sending thousands they put thousands of guillotines in there now that's all that's all she has to have been planned okay good huh I can't hear you oh blue and Greener uh this is the I mentioned uh we're color-coded color code for people they they could they know they know everybody here oh probably 99 of it and there's another theory that I have they're getting rid of the old cars aren't they yeah okay why it's because they can't trace them onto the sensors they don't have GPS systems yeah bring your car in we'll give you cash they don't want these old cars on the highway they want to keep track of us and if they don't get keep track of you through your car they keep track of you through your uh cell phone from up above two quick questions yeah one's a yes or no I recently saw Aaron Russo's mad as hell was that you in the front row Aaron Russo's medicine I can't understand your muffled I recently saw Aaron Russo's film mad as hell oh yeah yeah that was you right you were sitting in the front row uh well yeah I think I was okay I recognized I said that looks like Ted anyway my real question is this um thing the story that broke Monday they said there was some type of missile or something and then they said it was a contrail and do you have any no insights to what that was I don't have any inside information on that I don't have any idea what it is all I know is what I read in the paper and I don't think anybody in the news media know I don't know if they do or not I don't have any idea I don't about it you know we have Point Magoo out there they launched misses that appointment go on a regular basis yes sir question in relation to your work the satanic cult stuff okay a guy named Eric John Philip Phelps talks about um the Vatican assassins and the idea that uh the Jew the Jesuit uh priests and the black papacy the black pope that these are the guys that are above all the other secret organizations I just wondered if you had any information that would confirm or deny that not really I I'm I can't I don't know I wish I could answer that question but I've heard a lot about the Vatican being involved and you know you've used you're the usual stuff and the Zionist Jews and you know I know that they uh that the uh all I know is the mj-12s active if we can get I I I I I say the names of mj-12 the 12 people are known to some people but the people that know about it don't want to come forward with it right at this time it's not healthy okay my questions about Bohemian Grove as we all know they do a mock child sacrifice there in their Cremation of care do you have any knowledge or belief as to whether or not a real sacrifice is occurring somewhere there at the same time I can tell you this Paul Benassi in the Nebraska case Franklin cover-up he was one of the kids 10 11 12 12 13 years old that worked with the network that kidnapped the children he was involved in the Johnny Cash kidnapping case and he uh was used in parks shopping malls and so forth to attract other kids his age over to the car would be parked close to the car you'd be working close to the car and the adults would grab them and throw them in the back seat Paul Benassi I have a five-hour interview with Paul Benassi by the way said it's available I think I might be on YouTube but uh people tell me they see me on YouTube all the time I've I'm computer illiterate so I don't know what's on there so but Paul Benassi told me that he was part of the network that was involved in kidnapping kids okay he also told me that he and another kid in the network were put in a cage in front of the owl at Bohemian Grove with a kid that had been kidnapped they perform sexual acts on him and then were ordered to kill him this is for uh snuff film is that during the ceremony itself it was I don't know exactly when that was but he was there probably during the ceremony I would say they wouldn't just let him go back there on his own yeah I would say probably during the ceremony and um so uh this you know these snuff films suffer like a hundred thousand dollars private collections the kids are sold for fifty thousand dollars on an auction block Paul has attended six auctions as few as six and as many as 36 kids boys and girls mostly young kids were auctioned off for up to fifty thousand dollars each it's big business it wasn't the real purpose to compromise the people there I mean you know they're doing a snuff film and you have these you know leaders there and now they're all compromised well I don't think they're going to be compromised because nobody knows about it's all secret but the real purpose I think is for snuff films and also this is part of their belief the satanic belief closer look like thank you thank you for your enlightening talk I think you've given us a lot to think about I was hoping for a little clarification on two points can you say anything more about the significance or projected use of some of these internment camps and plastic coffins and can you say anything about whether websites like Wikileaks might be contributing to a disinformation agenda the first question is about the internment camps what's the second question programs like Wikileaks or websites like Wikileaks do you think they'd be contributing to education or disinformation I don't I don't follow your question Wikileaks with the elite right you mean the internment camps right no the kitten forget the Wikileaks question can you speak a little bit more about the internment camps please thank you uh I'm sorry again I have a hearing problem I apologize uh well the internment camps I mean I think it's on the internet and uh they are uh re renovating and refurbishing the Old World War II Japanese camps where they in turn the Japanese and I picked this up from several sources that these internment camps are out there the biggest one I understand is in Alaska where they could supposedly be able to hold a million people this would be probably the the blue or the green probably the green the word they're coated and red blue and green right the red will be exterminated eliminated immediately the red the blue I think is uh for rehabilitation the green the are you know not a problem for the new world okay one more question Mr Charles hey Ted um thank you for tonight I want to ask you if you were aware that um from what I've heard that Louis Jordan West uh who is at MK Ultra architect was just about the only person allowed to speak with Timothy McVeigh and I'm wondering if you can if you know about that if you could talk about it a bit yes I do I just happen to know about that as a matter of fact I knew Jolly West he's head psychiatrist at UCLA and in the 1991s and I was involved in exposing the tunnels on Olympic Martin School he called me and wanted to have lunch with me I had lunch I knew what he was after he wanted to know what I knew and of course I didn't know anything right or what I knew I didn't tell him I'll put it that way um I know for a fact we gotta wind up that he visited McVay in Oklahoma City and also in Denver Colorado I know for a fact I learned that from one of his staff members and he was an MK Ultra architect I believe he was he and Sydney Gottlieb were MK Ultra Architects yes they both died within a couple months of each other this is a wrap folks thank you thank you Anderson ladies and gentlemen [Music] 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